jmg1959 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Nietzsche disait de la musique des "Maîtres chanteurs" qu'elle définissait parfaitement ce qu'il pensait des allemands: «Ils sont d'avant-hier et d'après-demain - ils n'ont pas encore d'aujourd'hui» Malgré tout ce peut en dire la légitime passion musicale pour Wagner et Furtwaengler "exilé intérieur", "L'aujourd'hui" que nous voyons là n'est rien d'autre que la propagande du Dr Goebbels.

spaccapiano (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

anch'io trvovo keliber l'unico che si possa paragonare a furtwangler per la lucidità e la potenza del fraseggio, sentire la sua versione della settima di Beethoven per credere.

ElektraZenSuite (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

E non venite a dirmi di svastica, e di regimi, non venite a darmi nomi all'Arte. Wilhelm era immenso, da pochi o pochissimi pareggiato, forse. La sua abilità di giocarsi massi sonore, con tanta potenza e lucido splendore, io l'ho ritrovata solo in Carlos Kleiber, nel compianto Carlos Kleiber.E non venite a parlarmi di svastica.E non venite a parlarmi di regimi.(Mi associo, caro spacca, io mi associo)

giloubreizh (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Toscacini a pour lui la rigueur. Furt, une non-respiration/je parle seulement de l'ouverture/un allant - faut pas aller + vite, sinon tu dénatures, il est déjà un peu trop.

jeresimon (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

No creo que Beethoven hubiera tocado para este hijo de mil puta. Pensa en lo que hizo con la sinonia 3.I don´t think Beethoven would play for this son of a bitch. Remember waht he did with the 3rd simphony.

nachtmusik1860 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

...called Taking Sides - Der Fall Furtwaengler. It is done in a splendid way and it shows the complexity of the issue and also helps one understand both Furtwaengler's decision to stay in Germany and the motives of the American major who was interrogating him.

QFabiusMaximus (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

And Hermann Levi, the son of a Rabbi, conducted the premiere of Parsifal. Wagner's antisemitism is a complex issue, and in many respects a contradictory element of his personality.

nachtmusik1860 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Yes, he was an anti-Semite, and his wife Cosima no less,she was extremely opposed to Gustav Mahler's being appointed director of the Hofoper because Mahler was a Jew. Mahler was the best Wagner conductor of the time, but Frau Cosima didn't really have Wagner's music as a priority in this case. But to say that Wagner was a Nazi is ridiculous. Many people can't really tell where "Nazi" derives from so everyone who hates Jews is a Nazi. Coming back to Furtwaengler, there is a film ...

mdg140 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Naturally, but my comment addressed a characteristic of Wagner's persona that appealed to Hitler. His music is a separate issue.

Calvarienberg (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Maybe he was an anti-Semite. The Nazism came half a century later! And by the way, that doesn't affect his entire artistical work as one of the greatest composers in history. Of course he had a lot of flaws (his tendency to waste his sponsors' money for example), like every human being has.But what counts in the end is his unrivalled oeuvre. He makes us happy and enriches our lives. We have to be very thankful.