Allusion823 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Terra is right you know. The instrument originally came from Japan. Nearing Asian countries sought their way into acquiring the instrument over time, such as this. The Japanese invaded China once a upon a time. Hm. Oh wait..Now how did the chinese get a hold of Japanese culture. Perhaps it's because there's a lot of influence going around. Your argument is like saying Pizza came from America when it's clearly Italian. Get your fact straight dipshit.

terradi (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

^^ I'm not a musician, nor an expert on Asian music, otherwise I'd draw more similar comparisons. Sticking to art: if I decide to become a mangaka and make my own manga they won't be Japanese any more than I am. I'm not suggesting for a moment that the Shamisen is superior to the Sanxian. Just that it is different. Sorry, but I think I'm about as unlikely to convince you as you are to convince me that this is different.

QianHanXiongShou (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

It's a modified Chinese instrument,but its still fundamentally Chinese because the core things which make it a Chinese instrument remained unmodified :-)

QianHanXiongShou (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

The principles u speak of r not applicable in this case.Some say they perfected the things they modified.Perfection suggests it can't be improved,yet it can;therefore it's not a perfection.This music is not a perfection or better.I want you,as a non-Japanese,to modify anything, but then call it Japanese ok,coz anything copied and slightly changed is Japanese in your eyes in principle.U analysis superficially based on random examples.

terradi (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Well consider this as well: In regards to technology Japan took a lot of Western inventions and innovations, copied them, then figured out how to make them better, or better suited for their people anyways. Japan has been considered an innovator in technology for a long time. Their achievements in that area are solely theirs. That does not mean that we have no merits of our own. Else, by using English to type all of this, we'd both be Englishmen.

Shaguar97 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

GO ASIAN MEN! W00! ROCK ON!

QianHanXiongShou (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

I prefer basing my believe on fact because if I believed what the world thought a long time ago then I could never go far in a ship,because the world was flat remember :-)

QianHanXiongShou (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Every part of the instrument has a history.Some legends say the top section was the way the wife of the inventor used to keep her hair with three sticks.Japan doesnt even know that,but they luv it and call it their own without knowing why it was designed in such a way.They follow ancient Chinese traditions but without even knowing why.And then you get people who praise the Japanese for an excellent instrument and playing style.All I see is two Japanese guys enjoying a Chinese instrument

terradi (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Huh ... changes which don't result in alterations ... isn't that an oxymoron? The Shamisen's origins lie in the Sanxian. That doesn't make it the same. Sorry, but I trust the people who decided to class them as two different instruments (though definitely related), which appears to be the standard view of the world.

QianHanXiongShou (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

The sanxian has a rather long history. It was written in Yang Shen's Sheng'an waiji of the Ming Dynasty that "the origin of sanxian dated back to the Yuan Dynasty" (1279-1368). Its origin can be traced to an ancient instrument of the Qin Dynasty called xiantao.