JLCMJelly (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

.....of running on 3rd and short, even though they have totally different reasons for it. One wants to destroy the game, one wants to have his son succeed on the expense of others, and the third has a lust for blood. All advocating the same strategy, all for totally different reasons.But the rational philosophy underlying the strategy of running on 3rd and short is "it is a good way to get a 1st down", and if that is not at the root of advocating the strategy, the strategy is useless.....

JLCMJelly (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

But that is the exact problem with libertarianism. It is like a football(american) coach advocating running on 3 and short not because in reality that is a good way to get a first down, but because he just happens to like to run on 3rd and short, regardless of the reasons behind it. A person who wants to abolish the forward pass, a father of the running back who wants his son to get more carries, and a fullback who wants to kill the linebacker may all advocate the "strategy" of........

drzzt300drdn (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

I think that you've mistaken the purpose of Libertarianism, and have established it in your premise as being its own philosophical framework. It is, however, only an extension of objectivist philosophy in the form of political theory, and is thus limited in its definition to just that: political theory. It is a political party, running on political platforms, not metaphysical-philosophical platforms. It may use objectivist philosophy (and its subsequent sub-philosophies: metaphysics,

0lord0kinbote0 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

I've asked this question so many times. Why do those that promote Libertarianism always leave out details of natural law while claiming to adhere to it.It really sounds like 'faith' based thought. The idea that desires can be met with no realistic mechanism or basis on fact.

acousmas (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

wouldn't this apply to all political parties?

figgypower (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Before I lived in MI, me and my parents lived in Southern OH. What a mistake in regards to hospital care. Government cannot be all knowing and seeing; the PEOPLE need to voice their opinions on how many hospitals THEY need. This is not just one example, but is very common, because situations and circumstances change. The market system is NOT perfect but it is far better for certain things.

figgypower (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

Feel free to look at the economic and sociological research regarding cost and benefits. You're right that law enforcement and fire protection, even water can be far more efficient being communal. That is NOT a guarantee. Education, health care, and housing are definitely NOT beneficial being government owned. I would know -- go visit a ghetto sometime, all government owned housing. And health care? Give me a break -- there's a reason Canadians are "visiting" my current state, Michigan.

nbke5vz (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

That is completely bullshit. ADT only contacts fire departments, they do not put fires out. Fire extinguishers even say they only put out fires of a small size. Fire protection is beneficial to be communal, and so are law enforcement, and other industries we rely on for safety. Water, housing, food, education, and health care are also in that realm of being necessary to ensure "the general welfare and domestic tranquility."

nbke5vz (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

This is true, but hospitals are totally regulated by the local and state governments. The governments allot a certain number of hospitals to a certain range of each other based off of population statistics.

figgypower (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)

My house being on fire, again is partially defended by private entities like ADT and private products like fire extinguishers and alarms, but fire protection may be beneficial (at least from an economic perspective) to be communal in nature. Before tax funded fire protection, there were private firefighting entities, but that was mostly impractical due to externality issues. Don't be confused nbke5vz, the government does not provide NOR help, it only limits -- the PEOPLE provide and help.