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hasani42 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)
prroftext without context is pretext. The context of the verse when read in context with all the previous verses and at least a whole chapter afterwards is salvation. God said that before they were born in the book of Genesis.
SolaScripturaFide (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)
Nope, you have not studied Reformed Theology my son. Depends on Single or Double Predestination. Now we see Double Predestination being called the "horrible decree". And we see Single Predestination giving the non-elect a chance for salvation. The Single Predestination is viewed based on sentiment rather than logic or exegesis. "Equal Ultimacy" which your thinking of is symmetry in election and re-probation. Which in Calvinism does NOT embrace. Get "What is Reformed Theology by RC Sproul.
mikevoter (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)
10 Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. 11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." God said this many years after, not before their birth. Election has to do with purpose, not salvation as we see here.
mikevoter (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)
Reformed theology ignores the Gospel which is the power of God, focusing on an imagined time when God SUPPOSEDLY "elected" some to salvation and some to Hell by default. The Gospel itself brings light to the sinner and enables faith in ANYONE who hears it. Faith is not a work since Romans 4 makes it clear that Abraham believed God and was justified by faith WITHOUT works.
openairpreacher (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)
God is benevolent dictator will not let sinning people in His kingdomGod is just!There will be no wicked people there.No liars, murderers,, thieves, homosex, child molester Muggers , drunks, drug dealers, sex perverts Witches,Atheists, Spiritualists Everyone has a freewill and can repent /stop sinningand ask Jesus to forgive youGod is Love Love Jesus
openairpreacher (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)
Most people will go to Hell.God is benevolent dictator will not let sinning people in His kingdomGod is just!There will be no wicked people there.No liars, murderers,, thieves, homosex, child molester Muggers , drunks, drug dealers, sex perverts Witches,Atheists, Spiritualists Everyone has a freewill and can repent /stop sinningand ask Jesus to forgive themGod is Love Love Jesus
masterowa (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)
And where did this yielding of the heart come from? Where did the desire for Christ remembrance come from? The conviction Jesus is the Son of God? It is all revelation of God - and it is written that it is Jesus who chooses to reveal the Father to whom he pleases.
ukchristian28 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)
Doesn't sound like Dr. White.
mark95319531 (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)
Please, I am not a Biblical scholar, but I have read through the Bible many times. From the passage of the theif on the cross, I percieve that our hearts can yield at any time, even unto the time of death, that our salvation dependent upon the yielding of man's heart, and asking of salvation "Remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom" I do not question the sovereignty of God. But this episode seems to negate election and support the yielding of a formally rebellious heart.
budcarfan (December 31, 1969 at 6:59 pm)
Could it be that, God in His sovereignty, knew that one thief would reject, and also that the other would accept Jesus as Lord and Savior?There are many object lessons we could extrapolate from this bit of scripture, such as the fact that there was apparently no formal baptism performed for the one He saved, but yet saved him anyway. Also no mention of purgatory, etc.But one thing we cannot deny was that on that day as any other, God was and is in control. |
